What do the “torture” memos prove?

The Wall Street Journal has a very interesting editorial on what the memos recently released by Obama administration state about the torture techniques used by the CIA and others at Gitmo.

So what was waterboarding from the article:

The memos are also revealing about the practice of “waterboarding,” about which there has been so much speculative rage from the program’s opponents. The practice, used on only three individuals, involved covering the nose and mouth with a cloth and pouring water over the cloth to create a drowning sensation.

And the article continues on that the memos state the technique could only be used for about 40 seconds.

Remember the article from the International Red Cross about the United States “walling” terriorists by slaming them into a wall:

An Aug. 1, 2002, memo describes the practice of “walling” — recently revealed in a report by the International Committee of the Red Cross, which suggested that detainees wore a “collar” used to “forcefully bang the head and body against the wall” before and during interrogation. In fact, detainees were placed with their backs to a “flexible false wall,” designed to avoid inflicting painful injury. Their shoulder blades — not head — were the point of contact, and the “collar” was used not to give additional force to a blow, but further to protect the neck.

Wow imaging that, we were actually protecting the neck, not injure the neck.  If these points are true, where is the Red Cross’s apology for spreading false stories?  Where is the rest of the people who spread these tales apologies?  I won’t hold my breath waiting on these.

In fact as the article contiues:

All of these interrogation methods have been adapted from the U.S. military’s own Survival Evasion Resistance Escape (or SERE) training program, and have been used for years on thousands of American service members with the full knowledge of Congress. This has created a large body of information about the effect of these techniques, on which the CIA was able to draw in assessing the likely impact on the detainees and ensuring that no severe pain or long term psychological impact would result.

So do we torture our own troops when we submit them to the SERE training?  And these things happen with full knowledge of Congress?  Imagine that…..


3 thoughts on “What do the “torture” memos prove?

  1. Hey, they’re our troops. They’re supposed to be paleolithic baby-killers. It’s not like they’re pure like AQ terrorists or something. What, you don’t SUPPORT OUR MISSION, do you?

    It’s tough to tell people to change their pre-conceived notions. I’ve seen way too many people, including myself, edit reality to fit opinion. It’s when we realize we’re doing it that we grow up.

  2. It was late when I typed.

    The general public has a pre-conceived notion, hammered in by rote, that says that torture is bad and we do it on a regular basis. The fact that more whack-jobs are waterboarded on protest day than we’ve ever done in reality somehow escapes them because it doesn’t fit the story.

    I find myself doing both sides. If I’ve made a decision, then I do “term paper marketing” to justify it to my bosses, unless I catch myself. Then I start asking why I wanted that decision to be made. Of course, I also do the “hammer in the idea by rote” on a regular basis, which is how I sell my ideas in the first place.


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